I have been victim of a scam on everest poker : I play on everest poker since 2 years without problem, but in december 2007 my account and the one of my wife have been blocked by everest poker. More of 750$ are blocked, or probably stole !
I sent to them a lot of emails but I only received one email without any answer. No phone number, no contact, I'm furious ! I will complaint to the game commission of Kahnawake
Tuesday, January 8, 2008
Monday, January 7, 2008
Best trusted website : party poker, pokerstars and full tilt poker temporary in the top
This is a temporary classification, I need to finish to analyse each poker website before to make the final one. I will write more details and more explanation about it, if anybody has more information about one of these poker website, you can send us an email.
Trusted website
Website that can be dangerous
Website using scam, don't play with them !
I discovered a new website using scam, I knew about everest poker, but not about bodog poker, this website close some account without any reasons and keep your money.
Trusted website
- party poker
- pokerstars
- full tilt poker
- cd poker
- pacific poker
Website that can be dangerous
- absolute poker
Website using scam, don't play with them !
- everest poker
- bodog poker
I discovered a new website using scam, I knew about everest poker, but not about bodog poker, this website close some account without any reasons and keep your money.
virus/malware in the everest poker software
You are lucky if you have a good antivirus : when you install the everest poker software you should detect 3 virus.
Sunday, January 6, 2008
About the technical side, Everest poker is it secure ?
It's so much scams with Everest poker about money transfer, but what about the security of the software that you have downloaded and you play with ?
I will treat these problem soon, I yet know that the software of everest poker contains 3 virus spyware, it also contains several fails that allow people to find and use a player account.
Keep away from Everest poker !!
I will treat these problem soon, I yet know that the software of everest poker contains 3 virus spyware, it also contains several fails that allow people to find and use a player account.
Keep away from Everest poker !!
Who is hidden behind www.ask-ibs.com ?
If you was thinking that ask-ibs is a serious financial company, you are completely wrong ! www.ask-ibs.com is owned by the the company that own everest poker : Ultra Internet Media S.A... Everest poker uses ask-ibs as customer support for all question about finances, but if everest poker gave you some negative answer to transfer your money to your bank account, it's almost no chance that ask-ibs give you a positive one...
Concretely, ask-ibs manage the financial account of everest poker players, if your everest poker account has been restricted for some reasons, you will have to contact ask-ibs to unblock it (they will ask you a lot of documents very confidentials...).
The problem is if you watch carefully emails sent by Everest poker and emails sent by ask-ibs, you will see easily that you are dealing with the same customer support ! That means if you send some confiendtials document to ask-ibs to unblock your restricted account (copy of credit card, copy of passport, ...), who will really receive these documents and who can access it ?!! I don't think the access to these critical documents is really restricted and I don't think at all they crypt these documents received by upload,email or fax ! Everybody there can probably access to your credit card and personal information !
This company can ask you the copy of your credit card several months or years later, that means they stock all your credit card number, date of validity and cryptogram in there database... Because ask-ibs is same company as Everest poker, we can have a lot of doubt about the security of these critical data, it's not like it was hosted by a famous bank that everybody can trust !
Several persons complained about some credit card used by ask-ibs without permission, theyse players have no clues about what happened, so just be careful is you have to deal with ask-ibs ! The best is to don't play at all with everest poker, so you will be safe about poker scam.
Concretely, ask-ibs manage the financial account of everest poker players, if your everest poker account has been restricted for some reasons, you will have to contact ask-ibs to unblock it (they will ask you a lot of documents very confidentials...).
The problem is if you watch carefully emails sent by Everest poker and emails sent by ask-ibs, you will see easily that you are dealing with the same customer support ! That means if you send some confiendtials document to ask-ibs to unblock your restricted account (copy of credit card, copy of passport, ...), who will really receive these documents and who can access it ?!! I don't think the access to these critical documents is really restricted and I don't think at all they crypt these documents received by upload,email or fax ! Everybody there can probably access to your credit card and personal information !
This company can ask you the copy of your credit card several months or years later, that means they stock all your credit card number, date of validity and cryptogram in there database... Because ask-ibs is same company as Everest poker, we can have a lot of doubt about the security of these critical data, it's not like it was hosted by a famous bank that everybody can trust !
Several persons complained about some credit card used by ask-ibs without permission, theyse players have no clues about what happened, so just be careful is you have to deal with ask-ibs ! The best is to don't play at all with everest poker, so you will be safe about poker scam.
Saturday, January 5, 2008
Poker scam : Everest poker confiscates the money of "illegal players"
A "smart" scam in order to steal all your money in your everest poker account if you are registered with an address in a country where it's forbidden to play money.
How Everest poker proceeds to steal this money ? Easy : they let you play until you win a high amount of money, and, at the moment you decide to transfer this money to your bank account they close your account keeping the money for them ! They give you the reason that you can't play money from your location... This is maybe true, but they can't proceed like this !! Several points show that this method is totally illegal :
- If you read carefully the legal information in the website, you can see that only the player is responsible to check the law for playing in his country. If they take the responsability to check the law in your country, they should take the responsability for everything, and they should do it when you registered before you use your credit card !
- "Cancel the bets" (text from legal information in the webiste), this don't mean confiscate the money ! If they want to cancel the bet, they should find the owner of each cents and dollars won, this is almost impossible, so if they can't do it, they should not decide to cancel any bets some month after. In place of that they found an easy way : they just keep all your money !
- We are speaking about money, sometimes several thousands of dollars, they can't close you account without proof ! your are maybe playing from a country where playing money is authorized, even if it's not authorized in your country of residency. They act as if it's no law, as mafia.
Warning, this system of scam is used very often by Everest poker, so if you don;t want any bad suprises, just don't play online poker with Everest poker !!
How Everest poker proceeds to steal this money ? Easy : they let you play until you win a high amount of money, and, at the moment you decide to transfer this money to your bank account they close your account keeping the money for them ! They give you the reason that you can't play money from your location... This is maybe true, but they can't proceed like this !! Several points show that this method is totally illegal :
- If you read carefully the legal information in the website, you can see that only the player is responsible to check the law for playing in his country. If they take the responsability to check the law in your country, they should take the responsability for everything, and they should do it when you registered before you use your credit card !
- "Cancel the bets" (text from legal information in the webiste), this don't mean confiscate the money ! If they want to cancel the bet, they should find the owner of each cents and dollars won, this is almost impossible, so if they can't do it, they should not decide to cancel any bets some month after. In place of that they found an easy way : they just keep all your money !
- We are speaking about money, sometimes several thousands of dollars, they can't close you account without proof ! your are maybe playing from a country where playing money is authorized, even if it's not authorized in your country of residency. They act as if it's no law, as mafia.
Warning, this system of scam is used very often by Everest poker, so if you don;t want any bad suprises, just don't play online poker with Everest poker !!
Friday, January 4, 2008
Update of the testimony of Ludo, Everest poker stole 8500$ !
Everest poker decides to close his account without reasons, they kept his money : 8500$ !! I still don't understand how people still play with this mafia company...
Testimony from ludo about his money blocked by everest poker
I created an account 1 month ago, I won around 8000$, I asked to transfer the money back to my bank account, and 2 days after, I have been kicked without reason from the everest poker room, and just after I was not able to turn on the software. So I tried to connect with the computer of a firend to my account, and I had the following message "You can't play real money from your location..."
I sent 5 emails to Everest poker and nobody replyed to me, this is a big amount of money, I will do everything to get it back.
I sent 5 emails to Everest poker and nobody replyed to me, this is a big amount of money, I will do everything to get it back.
---------- Update 12/6/2007 evening ------------
Everest poker decided to ban the account of ludo without explanation, and they kept his money !!
Testimony from chichi about his account restricted by Everest poker
I'm not used to play poker, I'm most likely a beginner. I started to play with Everest poker because my friends was yet playin with this software. After playing for fun, I decided to try to play with real money, so I paid a low amount of money (afortunately I transferred a low one !), and play a little the same day winning some money.
The day after, I received a mail from everest poker, my account has been restricted because of an unusual activity on my account... So I started to try to contact their support (only an online form ! No phone number, no email, ...) and after some days they explained to me that I have to send the following documents :
- A copy of both side of my credit card
- A form of agreement filled and signed
- A copy of my passport
- A listing of my bank transfer with my credit card
I sent all these documents (I know, this was stupid...) using the website of ask-ibs, because https protocole is much more secure than email or fax. After some days I received a new email from them, saying I need now to send them a proof that I'm living to the adress indicated in the credit card sending them a copy of my eletricity bill or phone bill... But as the house is not in my name and it's no way to contact the owner to sign some documents, so I'm not able to give to them this last document ! They keep my money and will probably close my account ! I tried to ask them to close my account giving me back only the money i transferred, but they don't want to negociate, they decided to don't reply anymore to my messages, this is method of a fake company that just want to steal your money !
Now, as they have all information about me and my credit card, I decided to change the card in my bank in order they don't use it one day.
The day after, I received a mail from everest poker, my account has been restricted because of an unusual activity on my account... So I started to try to contact their support (only an online form ! No phone number, no email, ...) and after some days they explained to me that I have to send the following documents :
- A copy of both side of my credit card
- A form of agreement filled and signed
- A copy of my passport
- A listing of my bank transfer with my credit card
I sent all these documents (I know, this was stupid...) using the website of ask-ibs, because https protocole is much more secure than email or fax. After some days I received a new email from them, saying I need now to send them a proof that I'm living to the adress indicated in the credit card sending them a copy of my eletricity bill or phone bill... But as the house is not in my name and it's no way to contact the owner to sign some documents, so I'm not able to give to them this last document ! They keep my money and will probably close my account ! I tried to ask them to close my account giving me back only the money i transferred, but they don't want to negociate, they decided to don't reply anymore to my messages, this is method of a fake company that just want to steal your money !
Now, as they have all information about me and my credit card, I decided to change the card in my bank in order they don't use it one day.
Account blocked just after adding money on everest poker
This method is used more and more often :
The day after you add money to your everest poker account, you will receive an email explaining that an unusual activity has been detected in your account, and because of that, they resticted your account, that means you cannot access anymore to your real money account !
Everest poker and ask-ibs don't explain anything about this decision, they will never tell you why they they restricted your account, because in a high majority of case no usual activity happened, this is just a reason in order to restrict your account !
So, now your account is restricted, but you want to transfer your money from everest poker account to your bank account, they explain to you that you just have to send the following documents :
- To fill and sign a form certifying that you sent money to the website (you have to fill the credit card number, your name, address, ...)
- Scan of the both side of your credit card !
- A copy of your ID or passport
- Your last bank transfer listing
- A proof of residence (electricity bill, phone bill, ...)
And all these documents for your own security :-) What the hell ! They don't have to ask you all these documents for several reasons :
- First, Everest poker is not responsible for payement with fake or stole credit card, so as you enter you credit card number + date of validity + cryptogram, this is a valid transaction. if they don't want to accept your card, they should do it before to get the money ! This is so logical...
- Secondly, they ask you to send these documents via email or fax : This is totally insecure ! These 2 protocole are not securised, any good hacker can get all this information sniffing the connection (so he will know all about your identity, all about your credit card, ...)
- Finally, if they ask you these documents some month after (they do that often, when you decide to transfer your money to your bank), imaging your credit card expired, so you cut it and throw it in the trash, but some days after Everest poker and ask-ibs is asking you for copy of your credit card that you don't have anymore ! So what to do ? you think their support will help you ? You are wrong... they will just shutdown your account and keep your money !
So now, even if you send all document to this mafia company, your are not even sure to have your account back, I know several persons that reported to me this problem that they never solved...
If you count some hundreds players in the world having this problem each week (or even days), you can calculate they do a lot of money just blocking money of legal players ! Some of these players have more of 10000$ lost like this !
So, just don't play online poker with Everest poker !!!
The day after you add money to your everest poker account, you will receive an email explaining that an unusual activity has been detected in your account, and because of that, they resticted your account, that means you cannot access anymore to your real money account !
Everest poker and ask-ibs don't explain anything about this decision, they will never tell you why they they restricted your account, because in a high majority of case no usual activity happened, this is just a reason in order to restrict your account !
So, now your account is restricted, but you want to transfer your money from everest poker account to your bank account, they explain to you that you just have to send the following documents :
- To fill and sign a form certifying that you sent money to the website (you have to fill the credit card number, your name, address, ...)
- Scan of the both side of your credit card !
- A copy of your ID or passport
- Your last bank transfer listing
- A proof of residence (electricity bill, phone bill, ...)
And all these documents for your own security :-) What the hell ! They don't have to ask you all these documents for several reasons :
- First, Everest poker is not responsible for payement with fake or stole credit card, so as you enter you credit card number + date of validity + cryptogram, this is a valid transaction. if they don't want to accept your card, they should do it before to get the money ! This is so logical...
- Secondly, they ask you to send these documents via email or fax : This is totally insecure ! These 2 protocole are not securised, any good hacker can get all this information sniffing the connection (so he will know all about your identity, all about your credit card, ...)
- Finally, if they ask you these documents some month after (they do that often, when you decide to transfer your money to your bank), imaging your credit card expired, so you cut it and throw it in the trash, but some days after Everest poker and ask-ibs is asking you for copy of your credit card that you don't have anymore ! So what to do ? you think their support will help you ? You are wrong... they will just shutdown your account and keep your money !
So now, even if you send all document to this mafia company, your are not even sure to have your account back, I know several persons that reported to me this problem that they never solved...
If you count some hundreds players in the world having this problem each week (or even days), you can calculate they do a lot of money just blocking money of legal players ! Some of these players have more of 10000$ lost like this !
So, just don't play online poker with Everest poker !!!
Quick view about the company managing everest poker
Following the information on the webiste of Everest poker, Everest poker is managed in Europe by "UIM FINANCIAL SERVICES LIMITED" with official offices in 20-22 Beford Row in London.
Of course, no phone number is available to contact them, we can only find some virtual office in their website with address "Innovate Office, Lake View Drive, Nottingham, NG15 0DT, England" and "Suite 648, 78 Marylebone High Street, London, W1U 5AP, England".
Investigating a little, we can easily find than "Ultra Internet Media S.A" is the main company that own the website, they have 2 address : "Amory Building, Victoria Road, Basseterre, St-Kitts" (good country to hide mafia accounts...) and "Route 138, Kahnawake Mohawk Territory, QC JOL 1BO, Canada" that is the main company that own ther permit to offer online games (permit deliver by Kahnawake - http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/). This online commission offers a online form for complaints, this can be a first step of solution if Everest poker stole your money and nobody reply to you.
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